Dear Conservative Catholics, You are not above the Magisterium

Not many years ago, the Catholic right was led by persons who fully accepted the Second Vatican Council. They tended to ignore much of its teachings. They emphasized conservative magisterial teachings and tended to ignore whatever might be considered liberal. But they also accepted every Pope from John 23 to Pope Francis. Some of these leaders of the conservative Catholic subculture even proposed rather liberal views on certain questions, such as contraception or other intrinsically evil acts. On the subject of salvation, they held a rather moderate view, often considering that non-Catholic Christians and non-Christians could attain salvation without conversion to Catholicism or to Christianity.

During the reign of Pope Francis, a changing of the guard occurred. Whosoever spoke against Pope Francis more strongly received more attention and support from anonymous conservative Catholics online. The conservative Catholic media began to feature writers who opposed the Roman Pontiff more and more. The support of the audience, which conservative media seek to please, shifted to outright heretics and schismatics, like Vigano and Schneider, as well as to any authors who wrote in the same vein. And the more moderate of the conservatives lost their influence. No one cares anymore about Jimmy Akin’s 17 “things to know and share” about the latest papal document. It’s all-out war against the Pope, the Council of straw,* and the body of Bishops. While the old guard venerated Pope Saint John Paul II as “the great” and as a probably Doctor of the Church, the new guard has thrown him in the dustbin of slightly liberal Popes along with Pope Pius XII, Pope Saint Paul VI, and Pope Benedict XVI.

And the new leadership of the conservative Catholic subculture are both manifest heretics and manifest schismatics. They put themselves above the Magisterium, thinking themselves fit to sort through the teachings of Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit, in the one true Church, whether of the Vicar of Christ or any of the 21 Councils held to be Sacred and Ecumenical by dogmatic fact. Nothing is considered by them to be of the Magisterium unless it is approved by them. They think that any teachings of a Pope or Council, or of the body of Bishops dispersed in the world, but teaching in communion with the Roman Pontiff, can be rejected at will or whim, as long as the person who judges the Magisterium is conservative. Ultra-conservative.

That is not faith. When Jesus walked this earth, the true disciples of the Lord believed what He taught because of the Teacher, not the teaching.

[John]
{6:61} Therefore, many of his disciples, upon hearing this, said: “This saying is difficult,” and, “Who is able to listen to it?”
{6:62} But Jesus, knowing within himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this offend you?
{6:63} Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending to where he was before?
{6:64} It is the Spirit who gives life. The flesh does not offer anything of benefit. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
{6:65} But there are some among you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who were unbelieving and which one would betray him.
{6:66} And so he said, “For this reason, I said to you that no one is able to come to me, unless it has been given to him by my Father.”
{6:67} After this, many of his disciples went back, and they no longer walked with him.
{6:68} Therefore, Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
{6:69} Then Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
{6:70} And we have believed, and we recognize that you are the Christ, the Son of God.”
{6:71} Jesus answered them: “Have I not chosen you twelve? And yet one among you is a devil.”
{6:72} Now he was speaking about Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. For this one, even though he was one of the twelve, was about to betray him.

The true disciples believed Jesus because they recognized Him as the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. The false disciples would not accept any difficult teachings, anything contrary to their own understanding. They murmured against the Lord. They were offended. “Please don’t teach us anything that offends us.” That’s them, then and now.

And now, as then, many disciples no longer walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. They walk their own path. The do not walk with the Vicar of Christ. They have departed from him, for his teachings offend them, his teachings are too difficult for them. They find his teachings confusion and ambiguous, because they lack faith. The lack the willingness to accept a teaching precisely and merely because it is of a particular teacher, the Roman Pontiff, and Ecumenical Council, or the body of Bishops, dispersed in the world, in communion with the Pope. They are like Judas Isacariot. They speak and behave like devils. For Satan was the first created person to rebel against the authority of God, and against Christ.**

Do you understand the difference? Some Catholics only accept teachings of the Magisterium which accord with their own mind and hearts. Some only accept those teachings which are also taught by the conservative Catholic subculture which they have accepted as their replacement for the Pope, the body of Bishops, and the Magisterium as a whole. These Catholics do not have faith, or if they have any faith left, it is dying of starvation and negligence. They will reject any teaching of any Pope or Council or of the ordinary and universal Magisterium if it is contrary to their own mind and heart, or contrary to the subculture they have chosen, the anti-Francis subculture or the ultra-traditionalist subculture, or whatever.

Those with true faith accept all the teachings of all the 21 Ecumenical Councils. Sometimes a Council prepares a teaching for the faithful, but the Roman Pontiff rejects or modifies that teaching or that discipline. In such cases, as always, nothing is truly of a Council unless it is approved by the Roman Pontiff. For a body without a head is not alive. The Pope is the head of the body of Bishops gathered in a Council. Those with true faith accept the teachings of each and every Roman Pontiff, of each and every Council.

The difference between the true disciples and the Judas Iscariots is whether you accept the teachings of the Magisterium because they are of the Magisterium, or only if you find them to be compatible with your own mind and heart. In the former case, you are worshiping Christ; in the latter case, you are worshiping yourself or the conservative Catholic subculture.

Test yourself. Answer the following questions.

1. If an Ecumenical Council decides to suppress the Latin Mass, and require the Mass to be only in the vernacular language, only in the Novus Ordo, and Communion to be given only on the hand, will you attend this Mass or join a schismatic group?

2. If Pope Francis teaches a doctrine which meets the conditions for Papal Infallibility, but the teaching is declared to be a heresy by Burke, Vigano, Schneider, and other conservative Catholic leaders, and that teaching is clearly a heresy according to your own considered judgment, will you accept the teaching as true, or reject it as false?

— what might Pope Francis teach under Papal Infallibility? that non-believers and non-Christian believers can be saved without converting to belief in God or to belief in Christianity; that women can be ordained as deacons; that each and every Roman Pontiff is prevented from sins of apostasy, heresy, and schism, and from idolatry, blasphemy, and sacrilege; etc.

Notice that in the criteria for a teaching to be certainly true under Papal Infallibility, nothing pertains to the content of the teaching. You don’t get to judge the teaching, and decide if it is in accord with your understanding of Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. If it meets the criteria, regardless of the content, it is infallible. That is the benefit of having Papal Infallibility, Conciliar Infallibility, and the ordinary and universal Magisterium. It frees you from your own limitations and errors; it frees you from biases due to conservatism or liberalism or whatever else. You can know that the teaching is true, without having to make a correct judgment about its content. Just as the disciples knew they could trust the teachings of Jesus, we know we can trust the Magisterium.

(1) Do not worship the exterior things of conservatism. Do not demand that the priest face the altar, away from the people. Do not demand Communion on the tongue. Do not demand of the Lord Jesus, that you only worship Him in Latin. Accept whatever disciplines the Church chooses for you.

(2) If a teaching is of the Magisterium, accept it as from the Lord Jesus. Infallible teachings cannot err at all. Non-infallible teachings cannot err gravely. The Church has difficult teachings, just as Jesus did. Those teachings too are of Jesus.

Do not put yourself above the Magisterium to decide what is and is not of the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you are confused about any teaching of the Magisterium, seek for yourself faithful teachers. Abandon those teachers who oppose any Roman Pontiff. They are not of the Lord. Oppose anyone who opposes the Vicar of Christ, lest you find yourself joining them in their opposition to Jesus Christ.

But if Jesus is not your Lord, then leave the Catholic Church. Stop pretending to be Catholic Christian when you do not accept the teachings of the Catholic Christian Church. If the teachings of Pope Francis are too difficult for you, walk away; no longer walk with the Vicar of Christ. But don’t pretend that you are doing so because you are above the Magisterium, having understood better than the Holy Spirit speaking through Popes and Councils.

Ronald L. Conte Jr.

* Martin Luther, famously hated by the present-day Catholic far right, called a book of Sacred Scripture “the Epistle of straw.” And now the right imitates him by treating the Second Vatican Council as if it were the Council of straw. But in both cases, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of a Council, the teachings are of the Holy Spirit.

** The common theological opinion of Saint Thomas Aquinas and his peers at the time was that the created angels, all of them, did not initially have the Beatific Vision of God. They were then tested by being shown the plan of God to become a human being, a creature less than the angels, and by being told to worship God-made-man (and in particular, God-made-man on the Cross). Some refused out of pride, and they fell away, becoming devils. Those who obeyed were given the Beatific Vision of God and became the holy Angels.

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20 Responses to Dear Conservative Catholics, You are not above the Magisterium

  1. Rob says:

    1) Be disappointed, but stay where I am.
    2) Prayerfully consider where I went wrong and what ramifications that might have.

    How’d I do?

  2. Alex says:

    Ron, I’m sorry if I strayed off topic, and it is really hard to concentrate on one issue only.
    The messages I posted are from Our Lady in Anguera, you can check each one of them by its number and date at http://apelosurgentes.com.br/en-us/ I don’t care if they are copied in some other site that I do not follow, everyone can copy them and pretend whatever. Anguera apparition is not fully approved, but it is not disapproved either. I posted them because they are relevant of what I was talking about. If it matters in this topic, let me say that I have researched Anguera for years, it contains much more information than the published above, including of what is going to happen in Rome.

    • Ron Conte says:

      No problem, Alex. I was not objecting to Our Lady in Anguera nor to apelosurgentes.com, but to another site that contained some messages from other claimed revelations.

  3. Alex says:

    I think it is extremely important to make it clear the messages posted above are from Our Lady in Anguera and not from any other alleged apparition. I see now that the English section of Apelosurgentes.com.br is trimmed heavily at least in year 2008 for reasons unknown. I checked twice each message I posted above (actually parts of messages shortened for length), and they all are present in the Portuguese section of Apelosurgentes except the one on 4/24/2010 that is present in the English section only. The messages from 01/24/2009 and 10/23/2007 are present only in the Portuguese section. I guess you download especially Year 2008 http://www.apelosurgentes.com.br/pt-br/mensagens/ano/2008/ that speaks explicitly of Rome…Should I say anything about that? War in Rome etc…It deserves a separate long post by you, if not a year of research and a book! Out of 150+ messages (3 a week) in the Portuguese section, there are only 3 messages left in the English section in 2008. I am shocked, since I have read the translated English messages years ago. All the years messages are extremely important and cover different aspects of the coming Chastisement as well as the spiritual preparation for it. It is remarkable that every message ends with the long wording:
    “……..This is the message that I transmit to you today in the name of the Most Holy Trinity. Thank you for permitting me to reunite you here once more. I bless you, in the name of the Father, of the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Stay in peace.”

    I’m sorry I didn’t put the entire messages in the previous post, maybe then you would not doubt as of their origin.

  4. Alex says:

    (private to Ron) Im sorry I posted Anguera at all. If you want, delete both my post, and your response, and do not post my new comments. As you wish. But that is certainly not holylove or anything else, it is Anguera. If you want, you clarify it. I really do not want to get involved more than that. I am not sure whether Anguera is true or not, I dont know. And feel VERY UNEASY now. The fact is, I researched these messages for long, and even posted them online, and then I stopped for various reasons. Anyway, God bless.

  5. Alex says:

    Well, Ron, I think you need some control buttons in these posts, really. Including the option to edit and delete. One post is moderated and the other not, one post appears automatically without option to change it, another that clarifies it, not.

    In regard to Anguera, I must say that I am not sure whether it is true apparition or not. While some messages predict remarkable earth changes, as those quoted above, others run on the edge by talking of the antichrist. I will not bet more on it. I will follow what the pope rules on it, or a definitive ruling of the bishop that is not objected by the Vatican (as it was in Medjugorje case). As long as such ruling doesn’t exist, I read Anguera as interesting information only, but not as something 100% proven as Fatima. With that being said, I think my role in that discussion ends here.

    • Ron Conte says:

      Posts are moderated when they have links. There is no option in the wordpress blog controls to let people edit their posts.

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